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Post by AAAAAAAAAAAA on Jan 14, 2016 14:13:01 GMT
What bothers me about it is this video:
The player's character's M3 GTR suddenly becomes the Supra from player's character's flashback(s). And that's a CGI cutscene, a part of gameplay event.
I just want to clarify this car's role in Carbon outside of FMV cutscenes. Why it exists in the game, if it was lost before the game's events? Why ENDGAME_DUEL be like "A WILD SUPRA APPEARS", if the car wasn't supposed to appear in the actual game at all? Was it supposed to be playable? Why does M3 GTR suddenly transforms into it on the bonus video's rendering? Could M3 GTR and this car have technically been the same car (that could explain why player's character wanted this car back in MW so bad, as it didn't really belong to him), and if so, why both M3 GTR and it appear in the same FMV cutscene?
I know there are explanations in other threads, but I want all the info about it in one place.
fun fact: in the story's second cutscene (when Cross stops you; also shown in the video above), the side mirror seen from player's character's POV does look like that of a Toyota Supra.
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Post by Trypticon8 on Jan 14, 2016 21:12:27 GMT
What bothers me about it is this video: The player's character's M3 GTR suddenly becomes the Supra from player's character's flashback(s). And that's a CGI cutscene, a part of gameplay event. I just want to clarify this car's role in Carbon outside of FMV cutscenes. Why it exists in the game, if it was lost before the game's events? Why ENDGAME_DUEL be like "A WILD SUPRA APPEARS", if the car wasn't supposed to appear in the actual game at all? Was it supposed to be playable? Why does M3 GTR suddenly transforms into it on the bonus video's rendering? Could M3 GTR and this car have technically been the same car (that could explain why player's character wanted this car back in MW so bad, as it didn't really belong to him), and if so, why both M3 GTR and it appear in the same FMV cutscene? I know there are explanations in other threads, but I want all the info about it in one place. fun fact: in the story's second cutscene (when Cross stops you; also shown in the video above), the side mirror seen from player's character's POV does look like that of a Toyota Supra. HOLY SHIT. THE END OF THE VID. THE END! CARBON'S LOST ENDING. HOLY SHIT. It reads: "A quiet  street, still beneath a starry night - until two cars race into the frame. HERO and Nikki. Neck and Neck. out to a bird's eye view of the city. The sound of the two cars duelling in the distance. FADE TO BLACK. THE END." It's like Destiny's story all over again ;.; 0:58 reads : "Cross deliberately backs his car into HERO'S" Cross : "So long Romeo. Have a nice night (not sure if its night or not since it's cut off)" "Cross laughs and takes off. Darius leads HERO..." The cutscene wasn't cut. It was shortened. You can say it was modified I guess. 1:32 As you can see that scene is a placeholder. But its in palmont. Where the bridge that connects Fortuna and Silverton is. Except... It's super unfinished. Hell there's even a random "?" sign on top of the bridge which I'm guessing was a placeholder for a billboard. Its a VERY and I mean VERY unfinished version of Palmont. Probably the closest we will get to seeing real alpha gameplay. 1:36 The dialogue the cops had is removed from the actual cutscene and replaced with Yumi's. And the line right after the cop's is removed from the final product as far as I know. Darius says : "You've got a lot to learn from the big times." |
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Post by OutBlast on Jan 14, 2016 21:23:06 GMT
Let's just call it "Darius' Supra". Isn't this what you are looking for? Andreas Lansky said: At first, let's start with this BMW-Supra mess. The both cars are used interchangeably during a development. I mean very often we see Supra in places, when in final project is BMW. For example Cross deleted scene. There is BMW, then Supra, then BMW again. Why? Because these cars used very similar code. I'm not specialist in this part, but I know it was possible some way  Speaking of end game duel - it is a race between you and Nikki, which has been deleted exactly for a same reason as Game Into event. Game ends in moment of defeating Darius, but it was meant to be a bit longer. Unfortunately race with Nikki and race with Challenger are missing now. Race with Nikki is a part that has been created but not used, and part with Lancer-Challenger hasn't been created because developers knew at that moment that it won't be used for sure. Why Supra in race with Nikki? Because in this race you use a car you choose in your garage. It can be Aston, Nissan, Viper. Every car you want. But when you enter this race now (when it's not done in 100%) the game gives you Supra as a default choice. Don't ask me why. Have no idea |
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Post by Trypticon8 on Jan 14, 2016 22:30:34 GMT
Let's just call it "Darius' Supra". Isn't this what you are looking for? Andreas Lansky said: At first, let's start with this BMW-Supra mess. The both cars are used interchangeably during a development. I mean very often we see Supra in places, when in final project is BMW. For example Cross deleted scene. There is BMW, then Supra, then BMW again. Why? Because these cars used very similar code. I'm not specialist in this part, but I know it was possible some way Speaking of end game duel - it is a race between you and Nikki, which has been deleted exactly for a same reason as Game Into event. Game ends in moment of defeating Darius, but it was meant to be a bit longer. Unfortunately race with Nikki and race with Challenger are missing now. Race with Nikki is a part that has been created but not used, and part with Lancer-Challenger hasn't been created because developers knew at that moment that it won't be used for sure. Why Supra in race with Nikki? Because in this race you use a car you choose in your garage. It can be Aston, Nissan, Viper. Every car you want. But when you enter this race now (when it's not done in 100%) the game gives you Supra as a default choice. Don't ask me why. Have no idea Now we know Andreas was in fact speaking the truth. You can remove your tin foil hats now. Also he said that the race with Nikki is in the game. And indeed it is. In fact, Cirno had found it before. Wow |
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Post by SpeedY on Jan 14, 2016 23:11:21 GMT
lots of cars in videos are placeholders and things,
also endgame_duel is not actually called endgame_duel and it is not defined to have the supra. since no car was currently selected (new game) somehow it managed to select this one which was in my cars of my other save game. apparently there is no preset supra car like that. nfsc is such a confusing game.
also it looks like you were not going to race nikki. it seems pretty certain that the silverton race war was the race nikki was referring to in them subtitles.
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Post by Trypticon8 on Jan 14, 2016 23:26:07 GMT
lots of cars in videos are placeholders and things, also endgame_duel is not actually called endgame_duel and it is not defined to have the supra. since no car was currently selected (new game) somehow it managed to select this one which was in my cars of my other save game. apparently there is no preset supra car like that. nfsc is such a confusing game. also it looks like you were not going to race nikki. it seems pretty certain that the silverton race war was the race nikki was referring to in them subtitles. Oh... Well then  |
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Post by SpeedY on Jan 15, 2016 0:02:19 GMT
lots of cars in videos are placeholders and things, also endgame_duel is not actually called endgame_duel and it is not defined to have the supra. since no car was currently selected (new game) somehow it managed to select this one which was in my cars of my other save game. apparently there is no preset supra car like that. nfsc is such a confusing game. also it looks like you were not going to race nikki. it seems pretty certain that the silverton race war was the race nikki was referring to in them subtitles. Oh... Well then :P afaik that guy was not speaking the truth. the only thing correct about what he said was starting off with the scorpions in the original plans (anderson way is a scorpion race) |
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Post by dudecp123 on Jan 15, 2016 2:09:07 GMT
Oh... Well then afaik that guy was not speaking the truth. the only thing correct about what he said was starting off with the scorpions in the original plans (anderson way is a scorpion race) What makes you think he's lying in all the stuff he said? It sounds legit to me and some things of what he said were proven to be true |
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Post by NFSGamer on Jan 15, 2016 2:32:57 GMT
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Post by dudecp123 on Jan 15, 2016 3:08:52 GMT
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Post by LACooper on Jan 15, 2016 3:15:07 GMT
afaik that guy was not speaking the truth. the only thing correct about what he said was starting off with the scorpions in the original plans (anderson way is a scorpion race) What makes you think he's lying in all the stuff he said? It sounds legit to me and some things of what he said were proven to be true The book? Because his story has barely anything alike with the story EA did use, and his story has some questionable and weird happenings, some don't even make sense. It doesn't matter what he wrote in the book, EA has a different story and the locations are in different states...and whatever he wrote after the MW/C story can't be considered legit cause it's not supported by EA, just his fantasy... Yeah, he might wrote the script for the game, but EA didn't use it but an heavily edited version, cause cmon his writing is junk... |
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Post by SpeedY on Jan 15, 2016 3:21:41 GMT
What makes you think he's lying in all the stuff he said? It sounds legit to me and some things of what he said were proven to be true The book? Because his story has barely anything alike with the story EA did use, and his story has some questionable and weird happenings, some don't even make sense. It doesn't matter what he wrote in the book, EA has a different story and the locations are in different states...and whatever he wrote after the MW/C story can't be considered legit cause it's not supported by EA, just his fantasy... Yeah, he might wrote the script for the game, but EA didn't use it but an heavily edited version, cause cmon his writing is junk... It's not because his writing is junk. This happens with all video game adaptions of stories. The whole part about Kenji being first is very linear so it was changed that any of the three major bosses were first. And they also chose to add the gameplay element of the car classes. It gave a player choice. |
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Post by dudecp123 on Jan 15, 2016 4:45:44 GMT
What makes you think he's lying in all the stuff he said? It sounds legit to me and some things of what he said were proven to be true The book? Because his story has barely anything alike with the story EA did use, and his story has some questionable and weird happenings, some don't even make sense. It doesn't matter what he wrote in the book, EA has a different story and the locations are in different states...and whatever he wrote after the MW/C story can't be considered legit cause it's not supported by EA, just his fantasy... Yeah, he might wrote the script for the game, but EA didn't use it but an heavily edited version, cause cmon his writing is junk... I wasn't referring to his book, I was talking about the "Q&A" we did with him |
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Post by AAAAAAAAAAAA on Jan 15, 2016 7:50:33 GMT
"Lansky" (I highly doubt his trustworthiness too) claimed that there were copies of the game where you could only start your game in Downtown. Has anybody came across them?
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Post by LACooper on Jan 15, 2016 12:05:22 GMT
"Lansky" (I highly doubt his trustworthiness too) claimed that there were copies of the game where you could only start your game in Downtown. Has anybody came across them? I could only imagine it to be the first unit release in the US version 1.0 or 1.1...other than that I don't think you will ever come across it, even if it's true what he said...if it was a bug EA fixed it with the patches and re-release... |
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Post by Blackweed on Jan 15, 2016 12:36:09 GMT
"Lansky" (I highly doubt his trustworthiness too) claimed that there were copies of the game where you could only start your game in Downtown. Has anybody came across them? Wait. My copy of carbon collectors edition once starts in downtown in my first playthrough. When I started new games the game now starts at fortuna ever since. |
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Post by LACooper on Jan 15, 2016 13:09:14 GMT
"Lansky" (I highly doubt his trustworthiness too) claimed that there were copies of the game where you could only start your game in Downtown. Has anybody came across them? Wait. My copy of carbon collectors edition once starts in downtown in my first playthrough. When I started new games the game now starts at fortuna ever since. The car choice affects the district you will start with... Exotic - Fortuna Tuner - Downtown Muscle - Kempton |
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Post by Blackweed on Jan 15, 2016 13:46:22 GMT
Wait. My copy of carbon collectors edition once starts in downtown in my first playthrough. When I started new games the game now starts at fortuna ever since. The car choice affects the district you will start with... Exotic - Fortuna Tuner - Downtown Muscle - Kempton Oh. No wonder. |
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Post by SpeedY on Jan 15, 2016 17:49:19 GMT
everygame actually starts in fortuna. (on the road where eagle canyon existed in world iirc)...
if you fail the tutorial race (enable cops and get busted) the race failed shows your car in fortuna next to where the eagle canyon road was supposed to be in world :s
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Post by Trypticon8 on Jan 16, 2016 3:47:27 GMT
everygame actually starts in fortuna. (on the road where eagle canyon existed in world iirc)... if you fail the tutorial race (enable cops and get busted) the race failed shows your car in fortuna next to where the eagle canyon road was supposed to be in world :s im interested. keep going. (pics maybe?) |
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